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What's the Role for Data
Managers in Business Intelligence?
An Interview with Shaku Atre
Shaku Atre is one of the unique personalities of the IT industry. Educated
in India and Germany, she speaks five languages and has taught all over
the world. She worked at IBM for fourteen years, including the prestigious
IBM Systems Research Institute, before branching out on her own. Her
consulting firm was subsequently purchased by PriceWaterhouse Coopers.
During the 1980s – the nascent years of the relational database business
– Shaku made a name for herself as both a technical educator and as
an analyst of the industry. Her willingness to speak frankly, and her
early success as an independent female business owner in the competitive
IT industry, have brought her widespread recognition and acknowledgement.
Shaku continues to write extensively, both as a frequently contributor
to various trade magazines and webzines, and as the author of the book
“Business
Intelligence Roadmap: The Complete Project Lifecycle for Decision-Support
Applications”, co-authored with Larissa Moss, and published in February
2003 (Addison Wesley).
Tony
Shaw, Wilshire Conferences (Wilshire): Shaku, it’s great to
talk again after a long hiatus. I know you’ve been actively engaged
in the Business Intelligence area recently, so let’s talk about that.
Frankly, ever since the term emerged a couple of years ago, I’ve been
suspicious that much of the marketing buzz about BI is a repackaging
of old decision support and management reporting concepts that have
been around for years. I mean, isn’t it still just about measuring business
performance? Can you please define “BI”, as you see it, and why I might
be wrong in my cynicism?
Shaku Atre
(Atre): Tony, I think your cynicism is somewhat justified.
But I think because of the “computer savvy” of knowledge workers today,
it’s difficult to just “repackage old stuff”, rename it and sell it.
Business Intelligence (BI) is much more than “old decision support and
management reporting concepts”. I would define BI as business success
realized through rapid and easy access to actionable
information through timely and accurate insight into business conditions
about customers, finances, and market conditions.
BI really means
“Greater Profitability” and “Greater Profitability” is achieved through:
- Make better
decisions with greater speed and confidence
- Streamlining
operations
- Shortening product
development cycles
- Maximizing value
from existing product lines and anticipating new opportunities
- Better, focused
marketing and improved relationships with customers and suppliers
Most of our computerized
systems were developed to improve the business processes. Automation
of the business processes gave birth to most of the Online Transaction
Processing (OLTP) systems. Most of the organizations today have automated
the relevant business processes. What is then the differentiator?
It is the decision helping systems such as ERP (Enterprise
Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management), Knowledge
Management, Supply Chain Management (SCM) and Portals – to name a few.
Most computerized
systems have two major components: OLTP and OLAP (Online Analytical
Processing). The approaches are different. And as such they need to
be treated differently.
And what this means
then is that BI is much more than “old decision support and management
reporting concepts”. BI is a combination of Data Warehouse (DW), CRM
(Customer Relationship Management), ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning),
SCM (Supply Chain Management), Portals, eProcurement and the likes.
And in order to visualize, predict and present the “Business Intelligence”
we use various types of querying and reporting mechanisms. Data Mining
is another discipline that is used to provide BI.
Wilshire:
OK, I’ll buy it…it’s not your father’s analytical platform. Let me get
your view on one of the age-old semantic debates of IT, extended now
for the emergence of BI – How are data, information, intelligence, and
business intelligence interrelated?
Atre:
I would say:
- Data
is raw without context, like customer data, product data
- The value of
data is not only having it – but the value lies in using it
- Storing of data
is important but what is more important than that is retrieving it
when one needs it – easily and efficiently.
- Information
is data with context and meaning, for example information about product
purchases made by the specific customers
- Intelligence
is information used by various departments, like:
- Which group of customers buys which products?
- How can the finance
dept. find out profits made as a result of these purchases
of these products by these customers?
- How can
the marketing dept. advertise other products to these customers?
- Business
Intelligence: Intelligence based on business information,
past actions and options available for the future.
To that I would
add that you can’t talk about these concepts without also talking about
Information Value. And Information Value is proportional to the number
of knowledge workers using the information. Bob Metcalfe, the inventor
of Ethernet, developed a formula for computing the value of a network.
He said that Network Value is n-squared – that is, it’s proportional
to (The number of connected units)2. Similarly, Information Value is
proportional to (the number of knowledge workers using the information)2.
I think this diagram
from makes the point well, about how to make “good and quick” decisions
by using BI technology.

Wilshire:
I want to ask you some practical questions from your recent consulting
work. Tell me please about the work you’ve been doing in the BI area
recently?
Atre:
I have been working with a number of Fortune 200 companies to plan,
design and implement BI systems. And I am also working with a number
of vendors in helping them with their strategies with their BI systems.
Wilshire: So you’re seeing the issues
from both sides of the purchase decision. Tell me, where does BI “start”?
Does the demand for BI come from the functional departments – the marketing,
financial, and manufacturing folks? Or is there a push coming from IT?
Atre:
BI usually starts from the requests of the functional departments. Marketing,
Sales, Financial, Manufacturing. Knowledge workers like to have “actionable
information” in timely fashion. The requirements are usually not created
by the IT departments.
Wilshire: What are the big issues, or
the critical success factors, in BI projects? Where do they most commonly
break down?
Atre:
BI projects are quite complex. If an organization has not nurtured cross-organizational
culture, it is very difficult to implement a successful BI project.
Many organizations are already well equipped to implement successful
business intelligence (BI) applications. However, during my consulting
and teaching engagements, I have encountered many ill-equipped organizations
as well. I have observed some common factors among them, which we have
addressed in our book:
- Lack of understanding
of the complexity of BI projects.
- Lack of recognizing
BI projects as cross-organizational business initiatives and not understanding
that cross-organizational initiatives are different from stand-alone
solutions.
Unavailable or unwilling business representatives.
- Unengaged business
sponsors or business sponsors who have little or no authority due
to their low-level positions within the organization.
- Lack of skilled
and available staff as well as suboptimum staff utilization.
- Inappropriate
project team structure and dynamics.
- No software
release concept (no iterative development method)
- No work breakdown
structure (no methodology)
- Ineffective
project management (only project administration)
- No business
analysis and no standardization activities.
- No appreciation
of the impact of dirty data on business profitability.
- No understanding
of the necessity for and the usage of meta data.
- Too much reliance
on disparate methods and tools (the “silver bullet” syndrome)
Wilshire:
Conversely then, where do they most often pay off? Are there areas that
most often seem to produce reliable payback (in whatever terms you choose
to measure them, like direct financial ROI, or executive satisfaction)?
Atre:
BI seems to pay off handsomely if certain facets are implemented successfully:
For getting Increased
Business Agility:
- Real-time
transactional feedback
- Accurate prediction
mechanisms
- Quick implementation
of new business initiatives
For Lowering Operating
costs:
- Reduced time
required to collect business information
- Enabling employees
at all levels to access appropriate data with little IT support
For Streamlining
Customer Acquisitions:
- Effective,
focused marketing campaigns
- Reduced per-customer
costs of marketing and advertising
For Increasing
Customer Loyalty:
- Clear picture
of customer needs
- Targeted products,
features and services
- One-on-one
marketing
Wilshire:
Are you seeing much custom application development, or is it all off-the-shelf
software now? What about packaged software – the big ERP and CRM systems?
Do they really have the BI capabilities that most customers want?
Atre:
Most of the organizations try to use “off-the-shelf” software as much
as they can. And if off-the-shelf software doesn’t provide what they
need, they try to “customize”. Big ERP systems such as i2, J.D. Edwards,
Lawson, Oracle, PeopleSoft and SAP, just to name a few, as well as the
CRM systems such as Siebel, PeopleSoft, SAP, E.phifany/Octane, NCR,
Xchange, have a number of BI capabilities as required by the knowledge
workers.
Wilshire:
Shaku, you’ve been traveling around the country recently, talking to
a lot of DAMA chapters and other data management groups. And you’ll
be presenting at the upcoming Wilshire Meta-Data Conference and DAMA
International Symposium. What sort of questions are “data people” asking
you during your talks? What are the specific interests of the data managers?
Atre:
I am looking forward to presenting to the DAMA
and Wilshire Conference in Orlando. “Data people” as you named it
are asking questions like:
- How does
one get sponsors at high places? This question is not a question
just pertaining only to the BI systems. This has been a problem as
far as I can remember. One of the main aspects IT staff have to learn
is to understand “Politics” in the organization and find the most
influential parties to get involved in the projects. I am working
on some columns right now about “Politics and IT”
- How to
prove ROI, before the BI applications are implemented? Once
again, this is not a difficult question to answer only for the BI
applications. But it is a difficult question to answer for almost
any application. Some applications provide ROI immediately. Applications
such as “Fraud Detection” for telephone companies and for credit card
businesses are one example. Finding reasons for the attrition of customers
and avoiding that from happening is another area which pays off handsomely.
Also keeping inventory at a low level so that not much capital is
“locked up “in the inventory pays off. It is difficult to prove ROI
for “faster, better “decisions. There has to be a specific tangible
result to estimate ROI before implementing a BI application.
- How
to integrate our existing legacy systems? We have no documentation,
we don’t know how many places same data is stored, how consistent
it is etc. Once again, this is not only a BI specific question. For
integrating the legacy systems some off-the-shelf interfaces are used.
In some instances extracts are taken and stored in relational systems.
Interfaces such as ODBC,JDBC are used. Sometimes customized applications
need to be developed.
- How
to develop and implement “Balanced Score Cards”? Now this
addresses the BI area. Can I illustrate with a couple of pages from
our book? This depicts the Balanced Score Card. My co-author and I
have put together a list of “Things to Consider” as a preamble to
each chapter of our book. This list is assembled from our consulting
and teaching assignments with questions posed by our customers. Here
is an example of a balanced scorecard:

Things to Consider:
Access to
Information
· Where do we get the information we need for making decisions
today?
· What information do we already have? What additional information
do we need?
Business Drivers and Sponsorship
· What are the business drivers for an overall BI decision-support
initiative?
· What are the specific business drivers for this BI application?
· Who could be a potential business sponsor?
· Do we already have a business sponsor for this BI application?
Readiness Assessment
· Are we ready for a BI decision-support environment?
· Have we performed a readiness assessment?
· What do we need to do to get ready? Buy hardware? Acquire tools?
Establish standards? Hire more staff?
Risks
· What are the risks of building a BI decision-support environment?
· What are the risks of not building a BI decision-support environment?
Cost Justification
· Is it worth building this BI application, or will it cost more
than we can justify?
· Do we know what all the BI project costs will be?
· Will we have to buy new hardware? Upgrade our network? Buy
new tools? Hire consultants?
Return on Investment
· How will we measure ROI? For example:
o Will the BI application have an effect on our customer service?
o Will it help us increase customer satisfaction?
o Will it help us increase our revenue?
o Will it help us make strategic decisions that will lead to increased
profits?
o Will it help us reduce our costs?
o Can we expect to gain a bigger market share as a result of the BI
application?
Wilshire:
Are data managers sufficiently involved in the design and delivery of
BI systems? And if not, how can or should they get closer to the action?
Atre:
Data managers are somewhat involved in the design and delivery of BI
systems. There is still a “chasm” between the data managers/IT and the
Marketing, Sales, Financial, Manufacturing departments – so called Knowledge
Workers of an organization. But I see that the “chasm” is closing in
because the knowledge workers are getting more and more computer savvy.
But the data managers still have to learn more about the business, how
business works the way it does, what are the processes, how could BI
systems assist with “actionable information”.
Wilshire:
It seems to me that business intelligence should be a growth area for
IT right now, given that it leverages existing IT assets– namely the
information that resides in corporate databases – at relatively low
marginal cost. Is this a reasonable analysis, and is it in fact what’s
happening out there in IT shops?
Atre:
You are absolutely right. Business Intelligence should leverage existing
information that resides in corporate databases. IT shops are paying
attention to BI more carefully than they did a few years ago. This could
be IT’s big chance to have teamwork with the knowledge workers as well
as the “top brass” of the organizations. And by doing a good job, they
can shine and get noticed by the top brass.
Wilshire:
What do you predict are the major trends for the future? Where does
BI head next?
Atre:
The management of unstructured data is recognized as one of the major
unsolved problems in the Information Technology industry. And BI technology
may expand in the area of Unstructured Data. I’m writing some articles
for DM Review magazine with one of my colleagues on various topics of
“Unstructured Data”. Take a look at the February, March, April, May,
and June of 2003 issues.
Wilshire:
Thank you Shaku, it’s always good to catch up with what you’re doing.
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